From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 02:11:01 2006 From: "Jens Spanget-Larsen spanget(0)ruc.dk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: explicit solvation and SCRF models Message-Id: <-32437-060825021013-16588-McAE+cC9uK+BECo5KzrWHQ|-|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Jens Spanget-Larsen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:10:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Jens Spanget-Larsen [spanget*|*ruc.dk] Dear Raji, in a recent investigation of the electronic states of the hydroxy-anthraquinone Emodin (E) in ethanol, we used TD-DFT and the PCM continuum model for the solvent. But for the deprotonated anion (Ecb), which is likely to be explicitly solvated at the negatively charged oxygen center, we applied a combined model, with one ethanol molecule hydrogen-bonded to the negative oxygen and the PCM model representing the influence of the bulk of the solvent. This led to an adequate description of the observed electronic transitions. Yours, Jens >--< -------------------------------------------------- JENS SPANGET-LARSEN Office: +45 4674 2710 Department of Chemistry Fax: +45 4674 3011 Roskilde University (RUC) Mobile: +45 2320 6246 P.O.Box 260 E-Mail: spanget=-=ruc.dk DK-4000 Roskilde, Denmark http://ruc.dk/~spanget -------------------------------------------------- Quoting "Raji Raji raji###anal.chem.tohoku.ac.jp" : > Sent to CCL by: "Raji Raji" [raji|anal.chem.tohoku.ac.jp] > Dear Dr.Gonzalo, > First of all I dont know what kind of property you want to calculate using > explicit solvent molecules. But please do find in the following papers, the > solvent effect on the electronic g-tensors. It explains the advantage of the > explicit solvent molecules in combination with PCM and COSMO methods. > > 1) Explicit solvent molecules and PCM (gaussian) : > Zilvinas Rinkevicius, Lyudmyla Telyatnyk, and Olav Vahtras, J. Chem. Phys., > Vol. 121, No. 11, 2004, 5051-5060. > > 2)Explicit solvent molecules and COSMO (ORCA) : > Sebastian Sinnecker, Arivazhagan Rajendran, Andreas Klamt, Michael > Diedenhofen, and Frank Neese, J. Phys. Chem. A 2006, 110, 2235-2245. > > > from the above two papers, the better and almost accurate (when compare to > the experimental results) results where obtained using the combined treatment > of explicit solvent molecules and COSMO solvation model. Also PCM works well. > > Hope this helps. > Best Regards, > Raji. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sent to CCL by: "Gonzalo Jimenez Oses" [gonzalo.jimenez{=}dq.unirioja.es] > Hi all, > > A question has raised to me in the last days. When using a few explicit > solvent molecules (i.e. the first solvation shell), is it more or less > "correct" and/or "accurate" to use a SCRF moldel (i.e. PCM) to describe de > bulk solvent effects?. I have heard somewhere that explicitly solvated > solutes are more difficult to treat by means of PCM models, because of the > use overlapping spheres to describe the solute cavity. I wonder if the values > obtained through this methodology (which in turn seems to be more "correct" > than simple SCRF models) are feasible or the solvation free energies might be > somewhat over/understimated. Are there any paper related to this, apart from > the well-known reviews in solvation methods? > > Thank u very much, I wait for your ideas. > > Gonzalo> > > > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 02:53:00 2006 From: "Simmie, John john.simmie^nuigalway.ie" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Choosing thermochemical data Message-Id: <-32438-060824132942-511-bc2gnNhguOl/f2xFqn4yQw() server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Simmie, John" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:52:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Simmie, John" [john.simmie*nuigalway.ie] David: there is no quick & easy answer to your question. There is continual revision and improvement of thermochemical data so you really have to scout around the find the latest and greatest. Caveat emptor ... Personally the 86th Edition of the Handbook of Chemistry & Physics 2005-2006 edited by David Lide, CRC Press is my first port of call because I trust the people who update the thermodynamics sections but that's not to say that they are immune from error. After that the electronic tables of Alex Burcat ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/supported/aetdd/thermodynamics/ allow you to compute enthalpies & entropies at temperatures from 300 to 3,000K for a wide number of species The NIST Webbook at http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/ is also normally reliable ======================================================================== === Professor John M. Simmie Combustion Chemistry Centre Chemistry Department & Environmental Change Institute National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry!A!ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry!A!ccl.net] Subject: CCL: Choosing thermochemical data You may have heard the adage, "If you have a watch, you always know what ti= me it is. If you have 2 watches, you never know what time it is." Well, = a patron of mine is in a similar situation. He's trying to get the most co= rrect values of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at diffe= rent temperatures, and has consulted a number of sources. The problem is that every reference seems to have a different value (even f= or 298 K), and he doesn't know which one to pick. He's even found discrepan= cies between reference books and the original scientific papers cited by th= ese books. All of these are "trustable" sources, but they can't all be rig= ht and he needs a fairly high accuracy for calculations based on this therm= ochemical data. What advice should I give him? --David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S. S=FCd-Chemie, Inc. phone (502) 634-7409 fax (502) 634-7724 Don't bother flaming me: I'm behind a firewall. This e-mail message may contain confidential and / or privileged informatio= n. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorized to receive this mess= age, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-= mail or any information contained in the message. If you have received this= material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail an= d delete this message.=20 Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C780.D8D9B573 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Choosing thermochemical data

You may have heard the adage, "If you= have a watch, you always know what time it is.  If you have 2 watches= , you never know what time it is."   Well, a patron of mine = is in a similar situation.  He's trying to get the most correct values= of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at different tempera= tures, and has consulted a number of sources.

The problem is that every reference seems = to have a different value (even for 298 K), and he doesn't know which one t= o pick. He's even found discrepancies between reference books and the origi= nal scientific papers cited by these books.  All of these are "tr= ustable" sources, but they can't all be right and he needs a fairly hi= gh accuracy for calculations based on this thermochemical data.  = What advice should I give him?

--David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S.
S=FCd-Chemie, Inc.
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You may have heard the adage, "If you= > have a watch, you always know what time it is.  If you have 2 watches= > , you never know what time it is."   Well, a patron of mine = > is in a similar situation.  He's trying to get the most correct values= > of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at different tempera= > tures, and has consulted a number of sources.

> >

The problem is that every reference seems = > to have a different value (even for 298 K), and he doesn't know which one t= > o pick. He's even found discrepancies between reference books and the origi= > nal scientific papers cited by these books.  All of these are "tr= > ustable" sources, but they can't all be right and he needs a fairly hi= > gh accuracy for calculations based on this thermochemical data.  = > What advice should I give him?

> >

--David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S. > >
S=FCd-Chemie, Inc. > >
phone (502) 634-7409 > >
fax (502) 634-7724 >

> >

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> > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C780.D8D9B573--> > > > --oOo-----------------------------------------------------------------oOo-- Servicio de acceso ó correo electrónico vía web da Universidade de Vigo Servicio de acceso al correo electrónico vía web de la Universidad de Vigo Servicios Informáticos [ http://si.uvigo.es ] Universidade de Vigo [ http://www.uvigo.es ] URL: https://correoweb.uvigo.es From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 13:03:01 2006 From: "Paul.M.Mathias : fluor.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Choosing thermochemical data Message-Id: <-32442-060825120815-7207-4xKm9Iw3WPMNM+WGAVranw(0)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Paul.M.Mathias]![fluor.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005472E6882571D5_=" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:29:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Paul.M.Mathias||fluor.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005472E6882571D5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I recommend the DIPPR 801 database as an authoritative source of thermodynamic data: http://dippr.byu.edu/ The DIPPR 801 database contains critically evaluated and recommended thermodynamic properties (with uncertainties). It currently contains close to 1,900 compounds and includes the light hydrocarbons that are the target of this post. The database contains the raw data too so that you can make a judgement about the uncertainty of the recommended thermodynamic property. The database is continually reviewed and improved. The question posed (What advice should I give him?) raises several questions that merit discussion in the CCL: 1. What accuracy is needed? To take an example, DIPPR 801 reports the enthalpy of formation of ethane as -8.382 J/kmol or -20.02 kcal/mol, with an accuracy better than 1% or <0.2 kcal/mol. Is this adequate? What calculations require better accuracy? At what difference are two watches giving different times? 2. Scientists and engineers should know that no measurements can be made with zero error. I have taught a few undergraduate engineering courses, and have always emphasized this point. My experience is that undergraduate students are not aware of, and then would rather not deal with this "inconvenient truth." Practicing scientists and engineers should know better. 3. Any calculation has several inputs parameters and quantities, each of which has some uncertainty. Sound calculations should include a propagation of error. 4. Pure-component properties are the easy part! The size and complexity of the problem increases exponentially as the number of chemical species increases. Paul Mathias "Simmie, John john.simmie^nuigalway.ie" Sent by: owner-chemistry-#-ccl.net 08/24/2006 11:53 PM Please respond to "CCL Subscribers" To "Mathias, Paul M. " cc Subject CCL: Choosing thermochemical data Sent to CCL by: "Simmie, John" [john.simmie*nuigalway.ie] David: there is no quick & easy answer to your question. There is continual revision and improvement of thermochemical data so you really have to scout around the find the latest and greatest. Caveat emptor .. Personally the 86th Edition of the Handbook of Chemistry & Physics 2005-2006 edited by David Lide, CRC Press is my first port of call because I trust the people who update the thermodynamics sections but that's not to say that they are immune from error. After that the electronic tables of Alex Burcat ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/supported/aetdd/thermodynamics/ allow you to compute enthalpies & entropies at temperatures from 300 to 3,000K for a wide number of species The NIST Webbook at http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/ is also normally reliable ======================================================================== === Professor John M. Simmie Combustion Chemistry Centre Chemistry Department & Environmental Change Institute National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry|-|ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry|-|ccl.net] Subject: CCL: Choosing thermochemical data You may have heard the adage, "If you have a watch, you always know what ti= me it is. If you have 2 watches, you never know what time it is." Well, = a patron of mine is in a similar situation. He's trying to get the most co= rrect values of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at diffe= rent temperatures, and has consulted a number of sources. The problem is that every reference seems to have a different value (even f= or 298 K), and he doesn't know which one to pick. He's even found discrepan= cies between reference books and the original scientific papers cited by th= ese books. All of these are "trustable" sources, but they can't all be rig= ht and he needs a fairly high accuracy for calculations based on this therm= ochemical data. What advice should I give him? --David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S. S=FCd-Chemie, Inc. phone (502) 634-7409 fax (502) 634-7724 Don't bother flaming me: I'm behind a firewall. This e-mail message may contain confidential and / or privileged informatio= n. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorized to receive this mess= age, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-= mail or any information contained in the message. If you have received this= material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail an= d delete this message.=20 Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C780.D8D9B573 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Choosing thermochemical data

You may have heard the adage, "If you= have a watch, you always know what time it is.  If you have 2 watches= , you never know what time it is."   Well, a patron of mine = is in a similar situation.  He's trying to get the most correct values= of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at different tempera= tures, and has consulted a number of sources.

The problem is that every reference seems = to have a different value (even for 298 K), and he doesn't know which one t= o pick. He's even found discrepancies between reference books and the origi= nal scientific papers cited by these books.  All of these are "tr= ustable" sources, but they can't all be right and he needs a fairly hi= gh accuracy for calculations based on this thermochemical data.  = What advice should I give him?

--David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S.
S=FCd-Chemie, Inc.
phone (502) 634-7409
fax (502) 634-7724

Don't bother flaming me: I'm behind a fire= wall.


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I recommend the DIPPR 801 database as an authoritative source of thermodynamic data:

http://dippr.byu.edu/

The DIPPR 801 database contains critically evaluated and recommended thermodynamic properties (with uncertainties).  It currently contains close to 1,900 compounds and includes the light hydrocarbons that are the target of this post.  The database contains the raw data too so that you can make a judgement about the uncertainty of the recommended thermodynamic property.  The database is continually reviewed and improved.

The question posed (What advice should I give him?) raises several questions that merit discussion in the CCL:

1.  What accuracy is needed?  To take an example, DIPPR 801 reports the enthalpy of formation of ethane as -8.382 J/kmol or -20.02 kcal/mol, with an accuracy better than 1% or <0.2 kcal/mol.  Is this adequate?  What calculations require  better accuracy?  At what difference are two watches giving different times?

2.  Scientists and engineers should know that no measurements can be made with zero error.  I have taught a few undergraduate engineering courses, and have always emphasized this point.  My experience is that undergraduate students are not aware of, and then would rather not deal with this "inconvenient truth."  Practicing scientists and engineers should know better.

3.  Any calculation has several inputs parameters and quantities, each of which has some uncertainty.  Sound calculations should include a propagation of error.

4.  Pure-component properties are the easy part!  The size and complexity of the problem increases exponentially as the number of chemical species increases.

Paul Mathias




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David: there is no quick & easy answer to your question.  There is
continual revision and improvement of thermochemical data so you really
have to scout around the find the latest and greatest.  Caveat emptor
..
Personally the 86th Edition of the Handbook of Chemistry & Physics
2005-2006
edited by David Lide, CRC Press is my first port of call because I trust
the people who update the thermodynamics sections but that's not to say
that they are immune from error.

After that the electronic tables of Alex Burcat
ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/supported/aetdd/thermodynamics/
allow you to compute enthalpies & entropies at temperatures from 300 to
3,000K for a wide number of species

The NIST Webbook at http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/ is also normally
reliable
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===
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        Chemistry Department & Environmental Change Institute
                   National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland
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ti=
me it is.  If you have 2 watches, you never know what time it is."
Well, =
a patron of mine is in a similar situation.  He's trying to get the most
co=
rrect values of enthalpy and entropy of various light hydrocarbons at
diffe=
rent temperatures, and has consulted a number of sources.
The problem is that every reference seems to have a different value
(even f=
or 298 K), and he doesn't know which one to pick. He's even found
discrepan=
cies between reference books and the original scientific papers cited by
th=
ese books.  All of these are "trustable" sources, but they can't all be
rig=
ht and he needs a fairly high accuracy for calculations based on this
therm=
ochemical data.   What advice should I give him?
--David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S.
S=FCd-Chemie, Inc.
phone (502) 634-7409
fax (502) 634-7724

Don't bother flaming me: I'm behind a firewall.


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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">S=FCd-Chemie, Inc.</FONT>

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