From owner-chemistry {*at*} ccl.net Sun Feb 16 17:04:00 2014 From: "Jim Kress ccl_nospam~~kressworks.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: ICQC shame Message-Id: <-49703-140216131034-20280-CaMlRvNdwrbFHSxoBse7EQ**server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:10:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam/./kressworks.com] Has anyone bothered to ask the organizers of the "evil" ICQC about their supposed "gender inequality" issues? Has anyone asked about the speaker selection criteria? Has anyone allowed, or asked, the "evil" organizers of the ICQC to provide a response so the members of the community can get BOTH SIDES of the story? Has anyone determined the number of black/ Hispanic/ Asian/ American Indian/ etc. speakers to ensure there is no "racial inequality"? How about the number of speakers from every country on the planet to ensure these is no "ethnic inequality"? How about the height of the speakers? Has any ensured there is no "vertical inequality" by making sure that people of all stature are "properly" represented. What about weight? We wouldn't want to promote "Girth Inequality", now would we? What about age? Hair color? Shoe size? Marital status? Claimed sexual orientation? Eye color? Nose length? Ability to hear? Ability to see? Ability to walk? Ability to talk? Every other "disability" status? As one can see, once CCL starts down this path there is no end to the amount of whining and complaining that the list will have to endure. It will render CCL a wasteland of "Political Correctness". " Perhaps CCL should dedicate a part of their platform to related social issues such as these." Nonsense. If people want to discuss "gender inequality" they should start a forum on LinkedIn or Facebook or any of the many Social Media sites; or a WWMWICCL (We Want More Women I Computational Chemistry List) email list to which interested people may subscribe. If you INSIST on discussing this on CCL, the please place an identifying header on all your emails so that those of us who care about SCIENCE, as opposed to trendy whining about supposed "gender inequality" and other fashionable modes of Political Correctness can at least have a hope of filtering out all of the nonsensical content and peruse the SCIENTIFIC content. Jim Kress -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com[*]ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com[*]ccl.net] On Behalf Of Joseph E Maxwell jaymax36..gmail.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:24 AM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: [CCL] Re: CCL: ICQC shame Sent to CCL by: Joseph E Maxwell [jaymax36%a%gmail.com] Re: zborowsk <=> Therein lies part of the problem. Perhaps CCL should dedicate a part of their platform to related social issues such as these. Theoretical Chemistry does not exist in a vacuum. Social issues do impact it, do not tell me that the contribution of women, blacks or other minorities (or from your vantage position that may even include Roma peoples too) should be ignored - for that matter, you are also saying that their labor could be appropriated. Is Theoretical Chemistry to be the preserve of a small unique privileged group. And BTW, for Krzysztof K. Zborowski the issue here is not "sex" but "gender" inequality as a representational issue. Granted that the space should be dedicated to Theoretical Chemistry, but had this original commentary, which is of importance to the community gone without your further opposing commentary, this would not be continuing. Thanks! On 2/15/2014 5:12 PM, zborowsk zborowsk-*-chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]![chemia.uj.edu.pl] Well, could we > talk about theoretical chemistry, not about sex....?? > Please > > > > W dniu 2014-02-16 01:10, Salter-Duke, Brian James > brian.james.duke|a|gmail.com napisaƂ(a): >> Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James " >> [brian.james.duke---gmail.com] >> I fully agree that this is not acceptable. I trust that the three >> poeple sponsoring this, particularly Prof. Emily Carter, who is a >> member of the Academy, have made their views known to the Academy >> directly. Major international conferences should make sure there is a >> reasonable balance between men and women as well as from all >> countries in the world when selecting speakers. >> >> Brian Duke >> >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 02:57:48PM -0800, Kadir Diri >> dirikadir[a]gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: Kadir Diri [dirikadir ~ gmail.com] Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I am posting this message on behalf of professor Anna Krylov -one of >>> the many outstanding women in theoretical chemistry- regarding the >>> choice of speakers for the upcoming ICQC conference. >>> >>> I would always like to think of us, scientists, as some of the >>> leading figures in the fight for gender equality. I wish the choice >>> of speakers for this conference was just a statistical abnormality. >>> Even that would be unacceptable... >>> >>> Professor Krylov's message follows below. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Kadir >>> ---http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt