CCL: reveal your affiliation

From: Paul.M.Mathias:fluor.com
Subject: CCL: reveal your affiliation
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:25:10 -0800

There is another point to be considered here, which is the apparent discrimination of the CCL against those with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. addresses.

I have been a subscriber to the CCL through various organizational email addresses for many years. For a period I worked as an independent consultant and used Gmail as my business email. I did not succeed in becoming a CCL subscriber using a Gmail address, in spite of several direct pleas to the CCL administrator. As soon as I joined my present company, I applied to become a CCL member and was immediately accepted.

Is there a CCL policy that denies membership to those with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. addresses, or, at least, deems them suspicious until proven otherwise?

Paul Mathias

"SANDEEP KUMAR skumar23---jhem.jhu.edu" <owner-chemistry-,-ccl.net>
Sent by: owner-chemistry-,-ccl.net
03/23/2006 10:37 AM
Please respond to "CCL Subscribers"

To: "Mathias, Paul M. " <paul.m.mathias-,-fluor.com>

cc:

Subject: CCL: reveal your affiliation

Sent to CCL by: SANDEEP KUMAR [skumar23|-|jhem.jhu.edu] Hi: Several hundred years ago, an Indian saint had said something which when translated in English would roughly read something like this: Ask the learned for wisdom, not the affiliation. I value CCL because it is open to all and often involves interesting discussions. For example, the recent one I really liked was on the review of forcefields for small molecules and macromolecules. I did not matter if the contributors had the email address of Yahoo, Hotmail or an organization. I agree with John that this a slippery path which CCL should avoid. As for spam, I guess CCL administrator is already doing a wonderful job! Sincerely, Sandeep ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Sandeep Kumar, Associate Research Scientist, Johns Hopkins University Department of Biology, 106 Mudd Hall, 3400 N. Charles Street, Baltimore, MD 21218, USA. Phone: 410-516-8433, Email: kumarsan%%jhu.edu. URL: http://myprofile.cos.com/Kumarsan. or https://jshare.johnshopkins.edu/skumar23/public_html/ ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john furr john.furr . gmail.com" <owner-chemistry%%ccl.net> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:18 am Subject: CCL: reveal your affiliation > Sent to CCL by: "john furr" [john.furr++gmail.com] > ------=_Part_4213_12649164.1143121458741 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > "However, it would make the postings more credible if people who have > yahoo," > > A persons credibility should not be judged by their affiliation. > As soon a= > s > we head down that path then science becomes inherently biased. > Good scienc= > e > (especially computational science) can be done by any person with a > desireto learn and experiment. You certainly don't need to have a > position at on= > e > of the worlds Ivy League Universities to do quality science. Nor > do you > need to be employed in one of the major pharmas. A person should > simply be > judged based on the insights they bring to the discussion. I do > understandthat you weren't implying any of these things with your > original request. > However, I feel it could be a very slippery slope to head down. > Also as > noted before many people may not be allowed to post their affiliation. > > John > http://www.dynamol.com > > On 3/22/06, Andrew D. Fant fant:-:pobox.com <owner- > chemistry^_^ccl.net > > wrote: > > > > Sent to CCL by: "Andrew D. Fant" [ fant-x-pobox.com] > > Boyd, D. boyd%chem.iupui.edu wrote: > > > Sent to CCL by: "Boyd, D." [boyd]![chem.iupui.edu] > > > Colleagues, > > > I recommend/request that people who post on CCL include their > > affiliation. > > > I realize that because of spammers people do not want to reveal > their> full particulars. > > > However, it would make the postings more credible if people who > have> yahoo, > > > hotmail, etc. email addresses, include the university or > company they > > are > > > associated with. > > > > Many people are employed in situations where they are not allowed to > > speak/post > > in a public setting with reference to their employment status > without> clearing > > it with their public relations or corporate communications > > departments. This is > > to make management feel secure that nobody is representing > themselves in > > any way > > as an official spokesperson for the institution. I don't think > that we > > need > > affiliation information to judge the merits of a posting/email in > any> case. If > > someone makes a statement that sounds outlandish, the claims > should be > > examined > > and validated by the same standards whether it comes from > wwcc.cc.wy.us,> tripos.com, phar.cam.ac.uk, or ru.yahoo.com. > Likewise, I would hope my > > opinions > > here are considered on their merits and my past participation, > rather the= > n > > > > whether my circumstances require me to be discreet about my current > > affiliation. > > > > Andy > > > > Andrew Fant | And when the night is cloudy | This space to let > > Molecular Geek | There is still a light |---------------- > ------ > > fant+*+pobox.com | That shines on me | Disclaimer: > I don't > > Boston, MA | Shine until tomorrow, Let it be | even speak for > myself> > > > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing > script = > =3D-> > > Search Messages: http://www.ccl.net/htdig (login: ccl, > Password: search= > )> > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_4213_12649164.1143121458741 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > "However, it would make the postings more credible if people > who have = > yahoo," > > A persons credibility should not be judged by their affiliation. > As soon as we head down that path then science becomes inherently > biased. Good science (especially computational science) can be > done by any person with a desire to learn and experiment. You > certainly don't need to have a position at one of the worlds Ivy > LeagueUniversities to do quality science. Nor do you need to be > employed in one of the major pharmas. A person should simply be > judged based on the insights they bring to the discussion. I do > understand that you weren't implying any of these things with your > original request. However, I feel it could be a very slippery > slope to head down. Also as noted before many people may not be > allowed to post their affiliation. > > John > http://www.dynamol.com">http-:-//www.dynamol.com <div><;= > span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/22/06, class=3D"gmail_sendername">Andrew= D. Fant fant:-:http://pobox.com"; > target=3D"_blank" > > eturn top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> > pobox.com <owner-chemistry^_^ccl.net" target=3D"= > _blank" > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">owner-chem= > istry^_^ccl.net > > wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border- > lef=t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; > padding-left: 1= > ex;">Sent to CCL by: "Andrew D. Fant" [http://fant-x-p= > obox.com" target=3D"_blank" > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,eve=nt,this)"> > > fant-x-pobox.com] Boyd, D. boyd%chem.iupui.edu wrote: > > Sent t= > o CCL by: "Boyd, D." [boyd]![http://chem.iupui.edu"; ta= > rget=3D"_blank" > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ch=em.iupui.edu > ] > Colleagues, > I recommend/request that people who > post = > on CCL include their affiliation. > > I realize that because of spammers people do not want to > reveal th= > eir full particulars. > However, it would make the postings > more cred= > ible if people who have yahoo, > hotmail, etc. email > addresses, inclu= > de the university or company they are > > associated with. Many people are employed in > situations whe= > re they are not allowed to speak/post in a public setting with > reference= to their employment status without clearing it with > their public relati= > ons or corporate communications departments. This is > to make management feel secure that nobody is representing > themselves i= > n any way as an official spokesperson for the institution. I= > don't think that we need affiliation information to judge the > merits of= > a posting/email in any case. If > someone makes a statement that sounds outlandish, the claims > should be = > examined and validated by the same standards whether it comes > from ef=3D"http://wwcc.cc.wy.us"; target=3D"_blank" > top.js.Open= > ExtLink(window,event,this)"> > wwcc.cc.wy.us, http://tripos.com"; target=3D"_blank" > > ck=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> > tripos.com, http://phar.cam.ac.uk"; target=3D"_blank" > > =3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">phar.cam.ac.uk, > or <a= > href="" target=3D"_blank" > top.js.Op=enExtLink(window,event,this)"> > ru.yahoo.com. Likewise, I would hope my opinions here are= > considered on their merits and my past participation, rather then > whether my circumstances require me to be discreet about my > current aff= > iliation. Andy Andrew Fant | And when = > the night is cloudy | This space to let Molecular= > Geek | There is still a light &nb= > sp; |---------------------- > fant+*+pobox.com > | That shines on > me &= > nbsp; > | Disclaimer: I don't Boston, MA | Sh= > ine until tomorrow, Let it be | even speak for > myself -=3D T= > his is automatically added to each message by the mailing script > =3D- To= > recover the email address of the author of the message, please change > <br l= > ook up the X-Original-From: line in the mail header. 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