CCL: reveal your affiliation




There is another point to be considered here, which is the apparent discrimination of the CCL against those with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc.  addresses.

I have been a subscriber to the CCL through various organizational email addresses for many years.  For a period I worked as an independent consultant and used Gmail as my business email.  I did not succeed in becoming a CCL subscriber using a Gmail address, in spite of several direct pleas to the CCL administrator.  As soon as I joined my present company, I applied to become a CCL member and was immediately accepted.

Is there a CCL policy that denies membership to those with Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc.  addresses, or, at least, deems them suspicious until proven otherwise?

Paul Mathias




"SANDEEP KUMAR skumar23---jhem.jhu.edu" <owner-chemistry-,-ccl.net>
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Sent to CCL by: SANDEEP KUMAR [skumar23|-|jhem.jhu.edu]
Hi:

Several hundred years ago, an Indian saint had said something which when translated in English would roughly read something like this:  Ask the learned for wisdom, not the affiliation.

I value CCL because it is open to all and often involves interesting discussions. For example, the recent one I really liked was on the review of forcefields for small molecules and macromolecules.  I did not matter if the contributors had the email address of  Yahoo, Hotmail or an organization. I agree with John that this a slippery path which CCL should avoid.  As for spam, I guess CCL administrator is already doing a wonderful job!

Sincerely,
Sandeep
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> From: "john furr john.furr . gmail.com" <owner-chemistry%%ccl.net>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:18 am
Subject: CCL: reveal your affiliation

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> "However, it would make the postings more credible if people who have
> yahoo,"
>
> A persons credibility should not be judged by their affiliation.  
> As soon a=
> s
> we head down that path then science becomes inherently biased.  
> Good scienc=
> e
> (especially computational science) can be done by any person with a
> desireto learn and experiment.  You certainly don't need to have a
> position at on=
> e
> of the worlds Ivy League Universities to do quality science.  Nor
> do you
> need to be employed in one of the major pharmas.  A person should
> simply be
> judged based on the insights they bring to the discussion.  I do
> understandthat you weren't implying any of these things with your
> original request.
> However, I feel it could be a very slippery slope to head down.  
> Also as
> noted before many people may not be allowed to post their affiliation.
>
> John
> http://www.dynamol.com
>
> On 3/22/06, Andrew D. Fant fant:-:pobox.com <owner-
> chemistry^_^ccl.net >
> wrote:
> >
> > Sent to CCL by: "Andrew D. Fant" [ fant-x-pobox.com]
> > Boyd, D. boyd%chem.iupui.edu wrote:
> > > Sent to CCL by: "Boyd, D." [boyd]![chem.iupui.edu]
> > > Colleagues,
> > > I recommend/request that people who post on CCL include their
> > affiliation.
> > > I realize that because of spammers people do not want to reveal
> their> full particulars.
> > > However, it would make the postings more credible if people who
> have> yahoo,
> > > hotmail, etc. email addresses, include the university or
> company they
> > are
> > > associated with.
> >
> > Many people are employed in situations where they are not allowed to
> > speak/post
> > in a public setting with reference to their employment status
> without> clearing
> > it with their public relations or corporate communications
> > departments.  This is
> > to make management feel secure that nobody is representing
> themselves in
> > any way
> > as an official spokesperson for the institution.   I don't think
> that we
> > need
> > affiliation information to judge the merits of a posting/email in
> any> case.  If
> > someone makes a statement that sounds outlandish, the claims
> should be
> > examined
> > and validated by the same standards whether it comes from
> wwcc.cc.wy.us,> tripos.com, phar.cam.ac.uk, or ru.yahoo.com.  
> Likewise, I would hope my
> > opinions
> > here are considered on their merits and my past participation,
> rather the=
> n
> >
> > whether my circumstances require me to be discreet about my current
> > affiliation.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Andrew Fant    | And when the night is cloudy    | This space to let
> > Molecular Geek | There is still a light          |----------------
> ------
> > fant+*+pobox.com | That shines on me               | Disclaimer:  
> I don't
> > Boston, MA     | Shine until tomorrow, Let it be | even speak for
> myself>
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> &quot;However, it would make the postings more credible if people
> who have =
> yahoo,&quot;<br>
> <br>
> A persons credibility should not be judged by their affiliation.
> As soon as we head down that path then science becomes inherently
> biased.  Good science (especially computational science) can be
> done by any person with a desire to learn and experiment.  You
> certainly don't need to have a position at one of the worlds Ivy
> LeagueUniversities to do quality science.  Nor do you need to be
> employed in one of the major pharmas.  A person should simply be
> judged based on the insights they bring to the discussion.  I do
> understand that you weren't implying any of these things with your
> original request.  However, I feel it could be a very slippery
> slope to head down.  Also as noted before many people may not be
> allowed to post their affiliation.  <br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> http://www.dynamol.com">http-:-//www.dynamol.com<br><br><div><;=
> span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/22/06, <b
> class=3D"gmail_sendername">Andrew= D. Fant fant:-:http://pobox.com";
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> pobox.com</b> <owner-chemistry^_^ccl.net" target=3D"=
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> fant-x-pobox.com]<br>Boyd, D. boyd%chem.iupui.edu wrote:<br>&gt;
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> ]<br>&gt; Colleagues,<br>&gt; I recommend/request that people who
> post =
> on CCL include their affiliation.
> <br>&gt; I realize that because of spammers people do not want to
> reveal th=
> eir full particulars.<br>&gt; However, it would make the postings
> more cred=
> ible if people who have yahoo,<br>&gt; hotmail, etc. email
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> situations whe=
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> reference= to their employment status without clearing<br>it with
> their public relati=
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> merits of=
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