From dsf #at# world.std.com Sat Sep 27 09:26:57 1997 Received: from europe.std.com for dsf%!at!%world.std.com by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id JAA25137; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA01471; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18333; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:09:27 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970927130705.26e72fcc #at# world.std.com> X-Sender: dsf -x- at -x- world.std.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:07:05 -0400 To: chemistry.,at,.www.ccl.net From: Dawn Friedman Subject: G:G94 RIC and GAMESS: constrain var to equivalence? This is only partly a G94 question -- my real concern is with GAMESS. I'm geometry-optimizing some model systems whose high symmetry is broken only by methyl rotors. I want the methyl hydrogens to be free to get out of each other's way, but I want the C-C frame bonds to stay equivalent, at least until I have a partial optimization. This is easy to do in a Gaussian z-matrix format. G94 can be forced to use the input zmatrix rather than redundant internal coordinates, though of course all the advantages of the RICs are lost. (Is there a mathematical reason why G94 can't construct an RIC set with some variables constrained to be equal?) I haven't figured out *any* way to constrain a set of bond lengths or angles to be equal *but variable* in GAMESS when the entire molecule doesn't have symmetry. My choices seem to be: (a) Force the entire molecule, including all the methyl hydrogens, to exhibit at least one symmetry element. (b) Add fixed constraints in $STATPT, which will hold the C-C bond lengths to a constant value, and hope I picked the right one :-) I'm working with model systems that aren't necessarily stable as single molecules in a full optimization, so I can't count on their optimizing to an energy minimum if I don't constrain them. Should I just choose option (a) and let the CH3 hydrogens suffer? Is the hybrid I'm trying to create -- symmetric frame and free methyl hydrogens -- inherently invalid? I'll summarize to the list. Thanks, Dawn Friedman Dawn Friedman dsf-!at!-world.std.com