From owner-chemistry {*at*} ccl.net Fri Jan 20 19:17:00 2012 From: "maxim totrov max.:.molsoft.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Chemical Drawing Programs review Message-Id: <-46177-120120134548-10509-rhXaKTe4N1/tpXOmN6VPyQ]|[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: maxim totrov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28-885587595 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:45:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Sent to CCL by: maxim totrov [max(0)molsoft.com] --Apple-Mail-28-885587595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Yes, it is server-based. There is however an option to adjust the =20 > required bandwidth (upper left corner menu, the default is =20 > 'broadband' which may be too much for your location). The minimum =20 > bandwidth required is about the same as for Internet radio. So if =20 > you can listen to international radio stations over the Internet =20 > without hiccups and buffering phases in streaming mode, it should =20 > work fine in minimal bandwidth mode, but with connectivity below =20 > that, you may indeed have a problem. For normal users, response time =20= > should be more than adequate. It has been in use for years at =20 > PubChem without significant complaints. > Wolf, i would think that the issue is latency rather than bandwidth. A =20= 10Mb link can have latencies in the hundreds of milliseconds - movies =20= would play just fine but server-based applets can still be a pain. =20 Just my 2 cents... Max Totrov > Fortunately such constraints become less and less of a problem even =20= > in remote locations. The same is true for the use of antique =20 > browsers such as your IE6 - which btw is still an officially =20 > supported system, with special consideration regarding image =20 > encoding, etc, - but only if your bandwidth is not exceeded. IE6 =20 > reacts nastily if image display requests queue up..The minimum IE =20 > version required by this software is actually IE4, which has really =20= > limited JS capabilities, and cannot even display PNG images. > > > I selected the button "single bond" and clicked on the draw =20 > area,then it cost several seconds to generate bond on the screen. I =20= > guess it may fetch something from the server instead of generating =20 > them by the client itself. Also, it made my IE explore crashed two =20= > times!! > I have to say "ChemWriter" is much better, since it is fast and =20= > work well even on the IE6 explore. > Sorry for my terrible english. > > Qiancheng > > > 2012/1/19 Wolf Ihlenfeldt wdi/axemistry.com chemistry:-:ccl.net> > > Strangely, this review is completely missing the technologically =20 > unique Web sketcher originally developed for PubChem and accessible =20= > in an enhanced version at www.xemistry.com/edit/frame.html > > This tool is the only full-featured Web structure editor which is =20 > *not* a plug-in (with all its platform and installation issues) nor =20= > a Java applet (with its own JVM engine presence and versioning =20 > problems, plus download time issues). Compared to other Web editors =20= > of any kind, it can access a much broader range of Internet =20 > structure databases directly (over 2 dozen currently), and it =20 > supports a much larger list of I/O formats (for example, it supports =20= > SDF3000 and original ChemDraw CDX/CDXML or ISISDraw skc/tgf files as =20= > well as direct input and decoding of SMILES, SLN, JME strings, =20 > PubChem CIDs, cas numbers, compound names, etc.). > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Gunda tgunda2 . =20 > puma.unideb.hu wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Tamas Gunda" [tgunda2-.-puma.unideb.hu] > Dear CCL members, > > A major upgrade of my e-review on chemical drawing programs was =20 > performed. > ChemDoodle has been added, MarvinSketch has also been discussed in =20 > detail, > and several small applications have been added and dead projects =20 > have been removed, etc. > If you are interested have a look at: > > http://dragon.unideb.hu/~gundat/rajzprogramok/dprog.html > > Tamas Gunda > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =20 > =3D- > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY],[ccl.net or use:> > E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST],[ccl.net or useConferences: = http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/> > > > > > --=20 > Wolf-D. 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Yes, it is = server-based. There is however an option to adjust the required = bandwidth (upper left corner menu, the default is 'broadband' which may = be too much for your location). The minimum bandwidth required is about = the same as for Internet radio. So if you can listen to international = radio stations over the Internet without hiccups and buffering phases in = streaming mode, it should work fine in minimal bandwidth mode, but with = connectivity below that, you may indeed have a problem. For normal = users, response time should be more than adequate. It has been in use = for years at PubChem without significant complaints.
=

Wolf, i would think = that the issue is latency rather than bandwidth. A 10Mb link can have = latencies in the hundreds of milliseconds - movies would play just fine = but server-based applets can still be a pain. Just my 2 = cents...

Max = Totrov



Fortunately such = constraints become less and less of a problem even in remote locations. = The same is true for the use of antique browsers such as your IE6 - = which btw is still an officially supported system, with special = consideration regarding image encoding, etc, - but only if your = bandwidth is not exceeded. IE6 reacts nastily if image display requests = queue up..The minimum IE version required by this software is actually = IE4, which has really limited JS capabilities, and cannot even display = PNG images.


I selected the button "single bond" = and clicked on the draw area,then it cost several seconds to generate = bond on the screen.  I guess it may fetch something from the server = instead of generating them by the client itself.  Also, it made my = IE explore crashed two times!! 
    I have to = say "ChemWriter" is much better, since it is fast and work well even on = the IE6 explore.
    Sorry for my terrible = english.

Qiancheng


2012/1/19 = Wolf Ihlenfeldt wdi/axemistry.com <owner-chemistry:-:ccl.net>
=

Strangely, this review is = completely missing the technologically unique Web sketcher originally = developed for PubChem and accessible in an enhanced version at www.xemistry.com/edit/frame.html

This tool = is the only full-featured Web structure editor which is *not* a plug-in = (with all its platform and installation issues) nor a Java applet (with = its own JVM engine presence and versioning problems, plus download time = issues). Compared to other Web editors of any kind, it can  access = a much broader range of Internet structure databases directly (over 2 = dozen currently), and it supports a much larger list of I/O formats (for = example, it supports SDF3000 and original ChemDraw CDX/CDXML or ISISDraw = skc/tgf files as well as direct input and decoding of SMILES, SLN, JME = strings, PubChem CIDs, cas numbers, compound names, etc.).

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Gunda = tgunda2 . puma.unideb.hu <owner-chemistry],[ccl.net> wrote:
=

= Sent to CCL by: "Tamas Gunda" [tgunda2-.-puma.unideb.hu]
Dear CCL members,

A = major upgrade of my  e-review on chemical drawing programs was = performed.
ChemDoodle has been added, MarvinSketch has also been = discussed in detail,
and several small applications have been added = and dead projects have been removed, etc.
If you are interested have = a look at:

http://dragon.unideb.hu/~gundat/rajzprogramok/dpr= og.html

Tamas Gunda



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HR K=F6nigstein B7522 : Ust/VAT ID DE215316329 = : DUNS 34-400-1719


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