From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 5 06:46:00 2012 From: "Salter-Duke, Brian James - brian.james.duke|gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: [CCL] Resonance energy Message-Id: <-47723-121005054148-2145-TTv3DcpCgZwBb8M8qdVVzQ|a|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Salter-Duke, Brian James -" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:41:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James -" [brian.james.duke _ gmail.com] On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:04:27AM +0200, Robert W. Gora robert.gora[#]pwr.wroc.pl wrote: > >>This is particularly easy in CASVB or SCVB implemented in VB2000 (the > >>two methods are in fact equivalent). > > > >This is not correct. First, however, I have to point out that the term > >"CASVB" means different things to different people. CASVB implemented in > >MOLCAS and MOLPRO by David Cooper is indeed identical to SCVB. It is > >obtained by projecting out a SCVB function from a CASSCF wave function, > >either using an overlap criteria or an energy minimisation criteria. > > Naturally I meant Coper's CASVB being virtually identical to SCVB. Actually > nowadays one can use this code to perform also fully variational CASVB > calculations by optimizing SCVB complement which is indeed equivalent to SCVB. I am not quite sure what you are saying here. Cooper's CASVB is indeed equal to SCVB, but the number of structures is much less than in the VB2000 CASVB = CASSCF [14 structures for SCVB and 1764 for VB2000 CASVB are quoted in Shaik and Hiberty's book referenced below for methane] and the SCVB energy is higher than that of VB2000 CASVB = CASSCF. Incidentally in our paper [Karadakov et al] that I referenced in my last post, calculations on benzene for SC(6) and on C5H5- and C7H7+ with our new SC approach of SCVB(6,5) and SCVB(6,7) were carried out with both VB2000 and MOLPRO giving identical results. We also give the CASSCF(6,6), CASCF(6,5) and CASSCF(6,7) energies and I think I reproduced all of these with VB2000 CASVB. I have certainly obtained identical results with VB2000 CASVB and GAMESS(US) CASSCF very many times. > Could you provide us with a couple of references to CASVB as > implemented in VB2000? There is no publication that specifically discusses the VB2000 implementation of CASVB, but it is well described in "A Chemist's Guide to Valence Bond Theory by Sason Shaik and Philippe Hiberty in the beginning of section 9.2.3 on page 243. That section then discusses the Cooper CASVB, and finally it discusses the CASVB method of Hirao et al (Int. J. Quant.Chem., 66, 157. (1998), which is I believe essentially identical to the VB2000 CASVB although the VB orbitals may not be identical. Since the set of structures is complete, the VB orbitals are invarient to transformation. VB2000 on the last iteration tries to make them as localised as possible. VB2000 CASVB(n,m) gives the same energy as CASSCF(n,m). Brian. > Best, > Robert > > -- > Robert W. Góra, Theoretical Chemistry Group, ICHFiT, WUT [http://zcht.info] > [http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Gora] > [http://www.researcherid.com/rid/B-3919-2010] -- Brian Salter-Duke (Brian Duke) Brian.Salter-Duke]=[monash.edu Adjunct Associate Professor Monash Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences Monash University Parkville Campus, VIC 3052, Australia