From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue May 28 03:24:00 2013 From: "Michel Petitjean petitjean.chiral/./gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: How to characterize and change the tacticity of polymer chain Message-Id: <-48742-130528032214-4664-Xiri0SwgHEcuDv0LyT3mPA-#-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Michel Petitjean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:22:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Michel Petitjean [petitjean.chiral*o*gmail.com] Dear Chaofu, Having the asymmetric carbon at the origin and having fixed the smaller substituent 1, you need to know the sense of "rotation" of 2,3,4. The vector product 2*3 is a direct vector (non unit) to the oriented plane defined by the vectors 2 and 3 taken in this order. If this vector product has an acute angle with 4, the dot product 4.(2*3)=(2*3).4 is positive, and if it has an obtuse angle with 4, the dot product 4.(2*3)=(2.3).4 is negative. This dot product is exactly the determinant [4,2,3]=[2,3,4] (can be checked by hand). Remark, unless you have a chemically impossible geometry, the vector 1 is necessarily placed where desired, so that the whole computation relies on 2,3,4. Best, Michel. 2013/5/28 WuChaofu xiaowu759,,hotmail.com : > > Sent to CCL by: WuChaofu [xiaowu759[a]hotmail.com] > Dear Michel, > Thank you very much! You surely give such a good suggestion. However, I can not quite understand why the tacticity of polymer chains can be determined by computing the sign of determinant [2,3,4]. Could you explain it further, please? > Yours sincerely, > Chaofu Wu >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:04:34 +0200 >>> Subject: Re: CCL: How to characterize and change the tacticity of polymer chain >>> From: petitjean.chiral(a)gmail.com >>> To: xiaowu759(a)hotmail.com >>> >>> Carbon is the asymmetric carbon, assumed to have coordinates (x,y,z)=(0,0,0). >>> Best regards, >>> Michel. >>>