From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Nov 7 07:34:00 2013 From: "Olasunkanmi Lukman Olawale walecomuk%%yahoo.co.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL: NBO calculation Message-Id: <-49311-131107072456-20776-XhkwBJnMfZZXHxBnRJjVlA ~ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Olasunkanmi Lukman Olawale Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1670751155-1111470332-1383827089=:21561" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:24:49 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Olasunkanmi Lukman Olawale [walecomuk|-|yahoo.co.uk] --1670751155-1111470332-1383827089=:21561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Partha,=0AMetal complexation at a group close to N - H in your molecule = may lead to an increase in N-H bond length, this is not something unexpecte= d. But an increase in electron-occupancy at N-H is sort of contrary. Perhap= s you may want to check bond orders of N-H bond before and after complexati= on. This should give you a better idea of what happened.=0ABest regards.=0A= =0A=0A=C2=A0=0AOlasunkanmi Lukman Olawale=0A=0A____________________________= ____=0ACurrent Address:=0ADepartment of Chemistry,=0AObafemi Awolowo Univer= sity,=0AIle-Ife, Osun State.=0ANigeria.=0A=0A+234-0-80-52401564 Or +234-0-8= 0-67161091=0A________________________________=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, = 6 November 2013, 17:29, Jean-Pierre DJUKIC djukic:-:unistra.fr wrote:=0A =0A=0ASent to CCL by: Jean-Pierre DJUKIC [djukic-x-= unistra.fr]=0ADear Partha,=0A=0AWhat is your functional that served to opti= mize your geometry ? are you =0Acomparing a range of cmpds modeled with the= same functional/basis set ?=0A=0AHow does the N-H bond relate to the metal= ? remote interaction ?=0A=0Ahave you checked the natural charge variation = of your ligand upon =0A"metalation"?=0A=0AYou ask too many questions and gi= ve few details, it is difficult to answer.=0A=0ABest regards,=0A=0AJP=0A=0A= Le 06/11/2013 10:45, partha kundu partha1kundu_-_gmail.com a =C3=A9crit := =0A> Dear All,=0A> I have done NBO calculation of some molecule. It is show= ing the e-=0A> occupancy of N-H bond to increase after some metal binding a= t some other=0A> group close to it. However the bond length of N-H has seen= to increase=0A> which is counterintuitive. Similar trend I found for C-N b= onds too.How=0A> can I explain this? What are the other things I need to lo= ok for?=0A> Thanks in advance.=0A>=0A> Partha=0A=0A-- =0A++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0ADr Jean-Pierre DJUKIC (= =C4=90uki=C4=87)=0A(DR CNRS)=0AAdresse postale:=0AInstitut de Chimie de Str= asbourg=0AUMR 7177 CNRS / Universit=C3=A9 de Strasbourg=0A4, rue Blaise Pas= cal=0A67000 Strasbourg Cedex.=0A=0Ame joindre: Institut Le bel, aile nord, = 9=C3=A8me =C3=A9tage, pi=C3=A8ce 942b, tel: +33 =0A(0)368851523=0A=0A++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0AConseiller s= cientifique de l'Universit=C3=A9 de Strasbourg , secteur 2=0A=0Ahttp://www.= researcherid.com/rid/E-1262-2013=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=0Aa.k.a. F4HCV=0A=0A=0A=0A-=3D This is automatically added to eac= h message by the mailing script =3D-=0ATo recover the email address of the = author of the message, please change=0Athe strange characters on the top li= ne to the !=! sign. You can also=0Alook up the X-Original-From: line in the m= ail header.=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0AE-mail t= o administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST!=!ccl.net or use=0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 h= ttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message=0A=0A= =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0AB= efore posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net=0A=0AJob: http://www.= ccl.net/jobs =0AConferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/= conferences/=0A=0ASearch Messages: http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/i= ndex.shtml=0A=0A=0A= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0ARTFI: http://www.= ccl.net/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/ --1670751155-1111470332-1383827089=:21561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Partha,
Metal complexation at a group close to N - H in= your molecule may lead to an increase in N-H bond length, this is not some= thing unexpected. But an increase in electron-occupancy at N-H is sort of c= ontrary. Perhaps you may want to check bond orders of N-H bond before and a= fter complexation. This should give you a better idea of what happened.
= Best regards.

 
Olasunkanmi Lukman Olawale

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On Wednesday, 6 November 2013, 17:29, Jea= n-Pierre DJUKIC djukic:-:unistra.fr <owner-chemistry!=!ccl.net> wrote:<= br>

Sent to CCL by: Jean= -Pierre DJUKIC [djukic-x-unistra.fr]
Dear Partha,

What is your fu= nctional that served to optimize your geometry ? are you
comparing a ra= nge of cmpds modeled with the same functional/basis set ?

How does t= he N-H bond relate to the metal ? remote interaction ?

have you chec= ked the natural charge variation of your ligand upon
"metalation"?
<= br>You ask too many questions and give few details, it is difficult to answ= er.

Best regards,

JP

Le 06/11/2013 10:45, partha kundu= partha1kundu_-_gmail.com a =C3=A9crit :
> Dear All,
> I have d= one NBO calculation of some molecule. It is showing the e-
> occupanc= y of N-H bond to increase after some metal binding at some other
> gr= oup close to it. However the bond length of N-H has seen to increase
> w= hich is counterintuitive. Similar trend I found for C-N bonds too.How
&g= t; can I explain this? What are the other things I need to look for?
>= ; Thanks in advance.
>
> Partha

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