CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL prosperous?

 Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James -"
 [brian.james.duke[a]gmail.com]
 That is indeed the case, and I have had excellent relationships with the
 Gaussian staff over the years and they have been most helpfull.  However
 other programs provide direct support also and their developers are also
 helpfull.  But other programs have a separate list. In some cases, and
 the Dalton list springs to mind, the developers are active on the list
 helping people. Lists differ. The GAMESS(US) list is not run by the
 GAMESS(US) delelopers and they are not active on the list. The ORCA list
 is run by the ORCA developers and they are active on the list. Gaussian
 does not have a list and the Gaussian Inc staff do not help the many
 people who seek Gaussian help on the CCL.  I am not hitting Gaussian,
 but I do think they could help CCL more, both with advice and money. CCL is a
 very important resource and we all benefit from it, including Gaussian Inc and
 its users.
 Brian.
 On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 02:54:42PM +0000, Chang, Christopher
 Christopher.Chang],[nrel.gov wrote:
 > To be fair, upon visiting their website one can mouse over "Tech
 Support,"
 > click on "More...," and be presented with quite a lot of
 information,
 > including "Contacting Gaussian, Inc. Technical Support." Granted
 it's not a
 > mailing list, but their model allows them to ensure information is correct
 > as ways of doing things, keywords, etc. change.
 >
 > I don't think I've ever had a request for help ignored by Gaussian. I can't
 > say the same for mailing lists in general. CCL raises the bar though, and
 is
 > a fantastic resource. That DVD is intriguing...
 >
 > - Chris
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net
 > [mailto:owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net]
 On Behalf Of
 > Salter-Duke, Brian James  brian.james.duke_-_gmail.com
 > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 8:31 PM
 > To: Chang, Christopher
 > Subject: CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL prosperous?
 >
 >
 > Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James "
 > [brian.james.duke,+,gmail.com] Hi Jan,
 >
 > Does Gaussian Inc contribute any funds to CCL? If not, I think they should
 > as it is used as the main Gaussian support email list. Most other programs,
 > e.g.
 > GAMESS(US), GAMESS(UK), Dalton, Orca, have their own list for users to help
 > each other and attract the attention of the developers. I support a very
 > inactive list for VB2000. I do not believe Gaussian has such a list.
 > Actually I believe many users think there is such a list and it is called
 > the CCL. If they do not contribute any funds to CCL, I hope this shames
 them
 > into doing so.
 >
 > Cheers, Brian.
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 07:08:18PM -0400, janl-x-speakeasy.net wrote:
 > >
 > > Sent to CCL by: janl%%speakeasy.net
 > > Dear CCL,
 > > This is an infrequent message from the CCL Administrator about
 supporting
 > CCL. I am quite inspired with the recent fund drive for my local Columbus
 OH
 > NPR radio station that was supposedly successful (Oh yes, I am a
 member...).
 > Maybe it is the spring in the Northern Hemisphere that makes these bursts
 of
 > benevolent reflexes in people (but not animals...)? But I am probably more
 > inspired by the abysmal state of CCL support. Of course, CCL is free for
 > most of you, but not necessarily for me. It is getting actually more and
 > more taxing on my time due to the state of Internet, and the email in
 > particular. Lucky you, who do not have their email address displayed on the
 > Web for more than 20 years.
 > >
 > > At this point, the banners on the CCL Home page will soon disappear
 beside
 > one. They are 1000 USD for a year or 2000 USD for 3 years. From what I
 hear,
 > they are successful, they bring the traffic to the banner site, and they do
 > help. And bring good publicity. Encourage your marketing people to put the
 > banner on CCL. It works, and it will also help me to cope with CCL
 expenses.
 >
 > >
 > > There are other ways to support CCL:
 > > 1) Advertise the open positions on CCL
 > >    Details: http://www.ccl.net/jobs
 > >    This service is VERY successful if you look to fill the
 comp
 > >    chem or related position. People tell me that they find
 > >    a suitable candidate often in days. Of course, some do
 not
 > >    find the candidates that fast, but it depends on the job
 > >    description. The ads have counters, so you can see that
 they
 > >    are visited. With fall approaching the time to find a
 candidate
 > >    is now.
 > >
 > > 2) Buy the DVD archive of CCL for your group for 250 USD.
 > >    http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/buy_dvd
 > >    You can grep and do things like:
 > >      find . -type f -exec grep -li gamess {} \;
 > >    and find stuff that Google will not show. And in case
 > >    of me getting incapacitated or senile (maybe I am already
 ther?),
 > >    the CCL will survive better than other computational
 chemistry
 > >    repositories. Someone will have a copy of it.
 > >
 > > 3) You can also be a personal sponsor.
 > >    http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/supporting_members
 > >    For two weeks of Starbucks your web site can be popular.
 > >    BTW, if you do not have kids and amassed a billion
 dollars,
 > >    give a chunk to CCL... I will take it... I did not yet
 hear about
 > >    anyone getting rich off Computational Chemistry, but what
 do
 > >    I know?
 > >
 > > 4) You can advertise your conferences and workshops.
 > >    This service is free but I do not shy if you help me
 > >    with 50 USD donation:
 > >    http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/
 > >
 > > Of course, you can help financially - this is the "capital
 budget" for CCL
 > and you all understand that there is no free lunch. The operation of CCL is
 > you, though, with your thoughtful questions, answers and comments, your
 > contributions to CCL archives, and your staying with CCL and participating.
 > Look... It runs since 1991 and still has participants... Amazing... Some
 > grad students were born after CCL started...
 > >
 > > Thank you all for being a part of CCL.
 > > Jan
 > > --
 > > Jan Labanowski
 > > jkl%a%ccl.net and other addresses>
 >
 > --
 >    Brian Salter-Duke (Brian Duke)   Brian.Salter-Duke*_*monash.edu
 >                     Adjunct Associate Professor
 >             Monash Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences
 >       Monash University Parkville Campus, VIC 3052, Australia=look up the
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    Brian Salter-Duke (Brian Duke)   Brian.Salter-Duke * monash.edu
                     Adjunct Associate Professor
             Monash Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences
       Monash University Parkville Campus, VIC 3052, Australia