From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue May 10 18:20:01 2016 From: "Peter Kraus p.kraus12/a\imperial.ac.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: About phosphorus-carbon double bond vibrational-frequency(ies) Message-Id: <-52191-160510152301-8396-oG9eVktNwhCV4hKQD8qQ+w- -server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Peter Kraus Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c048db81bd2e9053281dac4 Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 20:22:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Peter Kraus [p.kraus12~~imperial.ac.uk] --94eb2c048db81bd2e9053281dac4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Daniel, Provided that you have the chk file, you can "pick" vibrational modes that involve selected atoms using the freqchk utility. http://www.gaussian.com/g_tech/g_ur/u_freqchk.htm That might help reduce the noise, if there are many modes in the same frequency range. Regards, Peter On 9 May 2016 03:37, "David Shobe avidshobe|a|yahoo.com" < owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote: > Daniel, > It may indeed be easier to look at the Gaussian text output. I'm assuming > you have some idea of the frequency value for the C=P stretch. (if not, a > quick calculation of CH2=PH or CH2=P-CH3 might help). Gaussian prints the > vibrational data in frequency order, so note those vibrational modes that > are near the expected frequency, and animate those vibrational nodes > individually (as opposed to plotting the entire IR spectrum, which it > sounds like you are doing). If you're lucky, there won't be too many > vibrational nodes with frequencies in your range, and you can pick out the > C=P stretch from watching the animation. > If you are unlucky, there will be several other vibrational nodes with > similar frequencies, and every one of those modes will be a mixed mode that > has only some C=P stretching character. > I write about C=P stretching, but the same is true for the C=P twist only > my guess is that you will be less likely to be "lucky" with the twist. > --David > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2016 5:34 PM, Daniel Salazar > danielmoralessalazar91:+:gmail.com wrote: > > > > Sent to CCL by: "Daniel Salazar" [danielmoralessalazar91]=[gmail.com] > Hello, > > I am using B3LYP on Gaussian 09. I used it to obtain the vibrational > frequencies of a molecule (C39H41PS2) containing one phosphorus carbon > double bond by using the keyword "freq". I used Molden to visualize the > calculated IR Spectrum. Since there are a lot of frequencies and the > phosphorus carbon double bond may have a low intensity, I am having a hard > time finding its frequency on the "Molden Frequency Select" panel. I wonder > if there is any way to obtain this information in other ways, such as from > the text output file, and if there is, how can I do it? Thank you very > much. > Sincerely, > Daniel Morales Salazar> ------=art_668200_166460360.1462755339092 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=F-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462744162038_44235">Daniel,
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462744162038_44235">It may indeed be easier to look > at the Gaussian text output.  I'm assuming you have some idea of the > frequency value for the C=P stretch.  (if not, a quick calculation of > CH2=PH or CH2=P-CH3 might help).  Gaussian prints the vibrational data > in frequency order, so note those vibrational modes that are near the > expected frequency, and animate those vibrational nodes individually (as > opposed to plotting the entire IR spectrum, which it sounds like you are > doing).  If you're lucky, there won't be too many vibrational nodes > with frequencies in your range, and you can pick out the C=P stretch from > watching the animation.
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462744162038_44235">If you are unlucky, there will > be several other vibrational nodes with similar frequencies, and every one > of those modes will be a mixed mode that has only some C=P stretching > character.
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462744162038_44235">I write about C=P stretching, > but the same is true for the C=P twist only my guess is that you will be > less likely to be "lucky" with the twist.
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Hello,

I > am using B3LYP on Gaussian 09. I used it to obtain the vibrational >
frequencies of a molecule (C39H41PS2) containing one phosphorus carbon >
double bond by using the keyword "freq". I used Molden to visualize the >
calculated IR Spectrum. Since there are a lot of frequencies and the >
phosphorus carbon double bond may have a low intensity, I am having a > hard
time finding its frequency on the "Molden Frequency Select" panel. > I wonder
if there is any way to obtain this information in other ways, > such as > from
the text output file, and if there is, how can I do it? > Thank you very
much.
Sincerely,
Daniel Morales > Salazar



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Dear Daniel,
Provided that you have the chk file, you can "pick" vibrational m= odes that involve selected atoms using the freqchk utility.

http://www.gaussian.com/g_tech/g_ur/u_freqchk.htm

That might help reduce the noise, if there are many modes in= the same frequency range.

Regards,
Peter

On 9 May 2016 03:37, "David Shobe avidshobe= |a|yahoo.com" <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:
Daniel,
It may indeed be easier to look at the Gaussian text output.=C2=A0 I'm = assuming you have some idea of the frequency value for the C=3DP stretch. = =C2=A0(if not, a quick calculation of CH2=3DPH or CH2=3DP-CH3 might help).= =C2=A0 Gaussian prints the vibrational data in frequency order, so note tho= se vibrational modes that are near the expected frequency, and animate thos= e vibrational nodes individually (as opposed to plotting the entire IR spec= trum, which it sounds like you are doing).=C2=A0 If you're lucky, there= won't be too many vibrational nodes with frequencies in your range, an= d you can pick out the C=3DP stretch from watching the animation.
If you are unlucky, there will be several other vibrational nodes with simi= lar frequencies, and every one of those modes will be a mixed mode that has= only some C=3DP stretching character.
I write about C=3DP stretching, but the same is true for the C=3DP twist on= ly my guess is that you will be less likely to be "lucky" with th= e twist.
--David



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I am using B3LYP on Gaussian 09. I used it to obtain the vibrational
frequencies of a molecule (C39H41PS2) containing one phosphorus carbon
double bond by using the keyword "freq". I used Molden to visuali= ze the
calculated IR Spectrum. Since there are a lot of frequencies and the
phosphorus carbon double bond may have a low intensity, I am having a hard<= br> time finding its frequency on the "Molden Frequency Select" panel= . I wonder
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